tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post116240703482226497..comments2023-11-02T03:51:26.343-07:00Comments on Coalition for Fog: I don't think that's fair, TomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-1162428247384653032006-11-01T16:44:00.000-08:002006-11-01T16:44:00.000-08:00The problem with Shea isn't that he's unpersuasive...The problem with Shea isn't that he's unpersuasive, it's that he's a jerk. Again, I know you hate for things to get personal, but it does come down to a defect of personality here; there's really no avoiding it.Andy Nowickihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17128644133382664355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-1162424472629844752006-11-01T15:41:00.000-08:002006-11-01T15:41:00.000-08:00iacobus:There are articulate leftists and paleocon...iacobus:<BR/><BR/>There are articulate leftists and paleocons. I try and define Mark as best I can and his take that "the current conservative movement sold out" strikes me as fundamentally paleocon, as does his sort-of-embrace of the Constitution Party. If that isn't the correct term to describe his still-forming ideology, I am more than open to hearing another.<BR/><BR/>andy:<BR/><BR/>There is torquemada05https://www.blogger.com/profile/02007449752650768676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-1162416962954347852006-11-01T13:36:00.000-08:002006-11-01T13:36:00.000-08:00Torque, thanks for your interest. I recap the whol...Torque, thanks for your interest. I recap the whole sordid affair at <BR/><BR/>www.thornwalker.com/ditch/nowicki_banished.htm<BR/><BR/>I hope you'll be able to notice the similarities in how I was dealt with by Shea to your own experiences with him, whether or not you agree with the opinions or observations I make in the exchange that is described. <BR/><BR/>I have in recent months made common Andy Nowickihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17128644133382664355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-1162414294384673512006-11-01T12:51:00.000-08:002006-11-01T12:51:00.000-08:00Sorry, I accidently clicked 'Publish' too quickly....Sorry, I accidently clicked 'Publish' too quickly. I think its more that he <I>sounds</I> like a leftist (and the whinier "paleocons") in these political rants.<BR/><BR/>I would agree that his particular philosophy is hard to place, though I haven't been reading his blog long enough to really know. But other than agreement on Iraq (and the associated attacks on the neo-cons' failures) I just Iacobushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04099125513286698905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-1162414128703314732006-11-01T12:48:00.000-08:002006-11-01T12:48:00.000-08:00I'm trying to refrain from personal arguments here...I'm trying to refrain from personal arguments here whenever possible, but I have in the past noted that there is much Mark's general argumentation style that I find rather distasteful, particularly his emphasis on triangulation, straw man, and <I>ad hominem</I> arguments. I hold these objections to his general style of discourse regardless of whether I agree with the topic that he is arguing or torquemada05https://www.blogger.com/profile/02007449752650768676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-1162413783278642772006-11-01T12:43:00.000-08:002006-11-01T12:43:00.000-08:00Torque, I'm a card-carrying paleocon who agrees w...Torque,<BR/> I'm a card-carrying paleocon who agrees with most of the list of opinions you cite as representative of paleoconservatism in your latest post. However, while Mark Shea and I agree on these matters, this hasn't prevented him from being anything but a self-righteous dick to me, as he has been to you, presumably a card-carrying neocon, albeit over different issues. I really don't thinkAndy Nowickihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17128644133382664355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-1162409864945756402006-11-01T11:37:00.000-08:002006-11-01T11:37:00.000-08:00I didn't mean to imply that he was, hence my use o...I didn't mean to imply that he was, hence my use of the term "creeping." He certainly doesn't appear to share their views on illegal immigration, for instance.<BR/><BR/> How would you guys characterize him, then? I certainly don't think that "leftist" is correct for the reasons listed above.torquemada05https://www.blogger.com/profile/02007449752650768676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-1162409188552355152006-11-01T11:26:00.000-08:002006-11-01T11:26:00.000-08:00I have to side with Tom. Mark is no paleoconserva...I have to side with Tom. Mark is no paleoconservative.Iacobushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04099125513286698905noreply@blogger.com