tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post1862266072191660239..comments2023-11-02T03:51:26.343-07:00Comments on Coalition for Fog: Not that I advocate it ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-31049743379808377422007-07-30T13:54:00.000-07:002007-07-30T13:54:00.000-07:00The Blackadder Says: I will accept Shawn's challen...The Blackadder Says: <BR/><BR/>I will accept Shawn's challenge. He need only name the time and place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-60633394613163335392007-07-26T14:19:00.000-07:002007-07-26T14:19:00.000-07:00One more war that I condemn now that I think about...One more war that I condemn now that I think about it:<BR/><BR/>I also condemn our conduct as a nation during the War on Poverty -a war that I believe we need to withdraw from as it is a lost cause after forty years.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06750131692705468773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-66436985659030076042007-07-25T20:58:00.000-07:002007-07-25T20:58:00.000-07:00The folks at Vox Nova could own any one of you.Wel...<I>The folks at Vox Nova could own any one of you.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, thus far my challenge remains unanswered Jonathan -or at least I remain uninformed that anyone over there will take this project on. Here are the guidelines as posted on July 22, 2007:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://rerum-novarum.blogspot.com/2007_07_22_archive.html#2103708778545177660" REL="nofollow">On the Morality of Using Atomic Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06750131692705468773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-78199099371064684832007-07-22T18:03:00.000-07:002007-07-22T18:03:00.000-07:00The Blackadder Says: "The failure of violent war t...The Blackadder Says: <BR/><BR/>"The failure of violent war to bring lasting world-wide peace has been historically established."<BR/><BR/>With one or two notable exceptions, wars are not and never have been waged with the purpose of establishing lasting world-wide peace. They are fought, when just, to establish a limited, temporary peace, which is unfortunately the best we can hope for in this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-57437256986511102412007-07-21T02:12:00.000-07:002007-07-21T02:12:00.000-07:00http://www.vox-nova.com/2007/06/militant-part-1.ht...http://www.vox-nova.com/2007/06/militant-part-1.html<BR/><BR/>That is a link to my full treatment of my understanding of the Church's teachings on war, violence, and peace. There are a lot of links to the Church's resources. Read them, and let me know what you think!<BR/><BR/>Essentially, I conclude that non-injurious force is the only method of self-defense that retains merciful love of enemy Nate Wildermuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01736672972579055865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-13661275437859697792007-07-21T02:06:00.000-07:002007-07-21T02:06:00.000-07:00Donald,Your quote of AB O'Brien was from 1998, bef...Donald,<BR/><BR/>Your quote of AB O'Brien was from 1998, before September 11th. We have all gone through a lot of changes since then.<BR/><BR/>The military archdiocese did not attempt to form my conscience on the just war theory. I was told that the just-war theory was for politicians, not soldiers. What would happen if soldiers began to pick and chose which wars they thought just enough to Nate Wildermuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01736672972579055865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-37091475157753629852007-07-20T15:34:00.000-07:002007-07-20T15:34:00.000-07:00"He made it clear that our consciences had to foll..."He made it clear that our consciences had to follow the orders of our president and not the so called opinions of our Pope."<BR/><BR/>Citation Nate. Verbal recollections, especially from someone as passionately enlisted in the pacifist cause as you are, aren't worth the paper they are not printed on. Can you point to a contemporaneous written record of this chat?<BR/><BR/>"And if you look at Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-72446345701876606322007-07-20T15:27:00.000-07:002007-07-20T15:27:00.000-07:00Well, apparently Pope Benedict isn't terribly conc...Well, apparently Pope Benedict isn't terribly concerned about Archbishop (and perhaps soon-to-be-Cardinal) O'Brien not ordering soldiers to refuse to go to war under pain of hellfire. Gosh, I wonder if that means that the Pope is a heretic? I mean, he might even disbelieve in the dogma of pacifism! Quick, someone convene an ecumenical council and elect a new anti-, err, I mean True Pope!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-112316852224085972007-07-20T15:25:00.000-07:002007-07-20T15:25:00.000-07:00"If you're a relativist or a situation ethicist or..."If you're a relativist or a situation ethicist or your moral sense of sight is impaired by the American flag that you keep waving that keeps flying into your face, I suppose that you might see things differently. I wouldn't know; I'm a Catholic."<BR/><BR/>Vituperation is always the refuge of those losing an argument Andy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-27843772910889484562007-07-20T15:23:00.000-07:002007-07-20T15:23:00.000-07:00"About American nuking Nagasaki and Hiroshima to s..."About American nuking Nagasaki and Hiroshima to save Japan. That defense is original, to say the least."<BR/><BR/>Then you obviously aren't familiar with the literature Nate. Harry Truman made just that argument at the time. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"I say that tongue in cheek, wondering how diligent your defense of the crusades might be."<BR/><BR/>Vigorous indeed Nate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-27528003260297106202007-07-20T15:02:00.000-07:002007-07-20T15:02:00.000-07:00It is impermissible to do evil in order to achieve...It is impermissible to do evil in order to achieve some supposed "greater good." Deliberately targeting civilians for murder is evil. That's the Catholic point of view, anyway. <BR/><BR/>If you're a relativist or a situation ethicist or your moral sense of sight is impaired by the American flag that you keep waving that keeps flying into your face, I suppose that you might see things differently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-34445233469505585062007-07-20T14:12:00.000-07:002007-07-20T14:12:00.000-07:00Yesterday was a fine day to see St. Francis. Peac...Yesterday was a fine day to see St. Francis. Peace and goodness to all.<BR/><BR/>About O'Brien - whether you believe me or not, I was in the military when he came to speak to us at West Point (this was after being a PVT for a year and a half). He made it clear that our consciences had to follow the orders of our president and not the so called opinions of our Pope. He said we had sworn oaths Nate Wildermuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01736672972579055865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-59152792184380296682007-07-20T12:03:00.000-07:002007-07-20T12:03:00.000-07:00Jonathon S.Who's debating? I'm not interested in d...Jonathon S.<BR/><BR/>Who's debating? I'm not interested in debating pacifists. Insulting them and showing contempt, sure. Debating? No...my time is more valuable than that.Susan B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14075079470118678320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-14480870637763694192007-07-20T07:20:00.000-07:002007-07-20T07:20:00.000-07:00"it's open season on women and children? Gee Donal..."it's open season on women and children? Gee Donald, you're all heart.... I'm touched."<BR/><BR/>No Andy, I'm the one who supports Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to kill as few non-combatants as possible. You're the one who opposes Hiroshima and Nagasaki, consequences to non-combatants, in Japan and throughout the areas of Asia controlled by the Imperial Army, be hanged. You simply don't get Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-72085796479748710442007-07-20T07:13:00.000-07:002007-07-20T07:13:00.000-07:00"For them to address you would be like a father ta..."For them to address you would be like a father talking stock-trading with his three year old."<BR/><BR/>Who can possibly refute such clear, reasoned argument? Hang your head in shame Victor!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-62370444579517715542007-07-20T06:20:00.000-07:002007-07-20T06:20:00.000-07:00The Blackadder Says: "As both G.K. Chesterton and ...The Blackadder Says: <BR/><BR/>"As both G.K. Chesterton and Aristotle said, when you are dealing with stupidity and irrationalism, the best response is ridicule."<BR/><BR/>Where did they say this? It certainly doesn't sound like either of them. <BR/><BR/>Also, if what Victor says is so stupid it's not worth responding to, why are you bothering to respond to it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-19863854498729581702007-07-19T22:48:00.000-07:002007-07-19T22:48:00.000-07:00At least they don't hang around my blog anymore. I...At least they don't hang around my blog anymore. I was starting to hold on tight to my car, gun and wallet ;)Gerald Augustinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17622574837838018733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-87602481192087145642007-07-19T20:41:00.000-07:002007-07-19T20:41:00.000-07:00That last was me, Andy Nowicki, again.That last was me, Andy Nowicki, again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-43832148949426971532007-07-19T20:40:00.000-07:002007-07-19T20:40:00.000-07:00So after their leaders surrender, leave the civili...So after their leaders surrender, leave the civilians alone, but until their leaders surrender, it's open season on women and children? Gee Donald, you're all heart.... I'm touched.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-2496945830641344012007-07-19T20:35:00.000-07:002007-07-19T20:35:00.000-07:00Victor,I take Michael's silence in the face of you...Victor,<BR/><BR/>I take Michael's silence in the face of your comments as an indication of how very stupid and very infantile your positions are. Yes, I am insulting your reasoning. As both G.K. Chesterton and Aristotle said, when you are dealing with stupidity and irrationalism, the best response is ridicule. I don't blam the folks from Vox Nova from ignoring you. For them to address you AngryEtsySellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07021239291307916646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-60115864071192833532007-07-19T15:45:00.000-07:002007-07-19T15:45:00.000-07:00"Donald, a challenge: is there any military action..."Donald, a challenge: is there any military action the US has committed throughout its history that you would actually condemn, rather than hasten to defend?"<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>The sand creek massacre in 1864 where Black Kettle was trying to surrender and Chivington and his untrained Colorado militia butchered them. As a general category this includes such incidents as My Lai, etc where US Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-45692286374133426792007-07-19T10:31:00.000-07:002007-07-19T10:31:00.000-07:00And by the way Susan, I'm not a pacifist. If someo...And by the way Susan, I'm not a pacifist. If someone were bombing my town into cinders, as the Allies did to numerous German and Japanese cities during WW2, I would find it perfectly justifiable to fight back, had I the opportunity.<BR/><BR/>Andy NowickiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-32220566571547088112007-07-19T09:46:00.000-07:002007-07-19T09:46:00.000-07:00To put my point more bluntly: I suspect, Donald, t...To put my point more bluntly: I suspect, Donald, that the 10-sqare foot American flag you are waving is blowing into your face, and keeping you from understanding that certain virtues supercede that of patriotism (such as morality and common decency).<BR/><BR/>Andy NowickiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-61657547330857361632007-07-19T08:44:00.000-07:002007-07-19T08:44:00.000-07:00Donald, a challenge: is there any military action ...Donald, a challenge: is there any military action the US has committed throughout its history that you would actually condemn, rather than hasten to defend? If you think Hiroshima and Dresden are a-okay, then I suspect there's little you wouldn't approve of.<BR/><BR/>Yes, as I already said, the Germans and the Japanese were worse. God save us from choosing the least bad of two morally dreadful Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30405512.post-2014665518593683312007-07-19T03:52:00.000-07:002007-07-19T03:52:00.000-07:00"One day again the sirens sounded. My work group w..."One day again the sirens sounded. My work group was force marched back into the camp. Suddenly high above the sky a fleet of American bombers appeared. As me and my comrades looked up, I saw the face of the SS guard in charge of the detachment. The guard's normal arrogance was replaced by a look of fear. Then I knew that the apparently invincible power of Nazi Germany met its match by the might Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com