I remember the good old days when Shea would make up his own misquotations. But now he's relying on others. Note that his post doesn't link to my words (that'd be too confusing), but to a citation from Morning's Minion. And he puts ellipses in the precise place MM did and picks up the quote in the exact same place. I'll guess on that basis that Shea never even bothered to read what I wrote, instead taking MM's word. Which was that I had said (these links are what are called "citations"; they enable the reader to check the claims being made for truth):
I see Victor the Impaler of the Foggy Bottoms is now arguing that "if any harm is done to the British sailors, we will execute Iranian nationals held prisoner in Iraq or in Guantanamo... send one of ours to hospital, we send one of yours to the morgue."Predictably, in between historically ignorant fantasies of Russia and China being outraged over US "torture" and of France, Russia and North Korea being perfectly willing to harm their own commercial interests in Iran had Abu Ghraib never existed, Shea works himself up into a self-righteous lather to say that I ...
prefer to murder prisoners in cold blood if it suits their Machiavellian needs ... [and that] those in my combox and elsewhere in St. Blog's who will either try to tell me this is okay (Hey! It worked for the Nazis at Lidice!), or else find themselves baffled over what the exact, precise, technical meaning of "murder" and "prisoner" is.Anybody interested in what I actually said (i.e., not Shea or MM) can read it here will of course notice that the ellipsis was very strategic and precisely placed. The literate will realize that the two liars left out a rather important qualifier. One that makes what I called for objectively not murdering prisoners in cold blood. (Those who don't realize that are persons whom I don't give a shit about.)
I don't know what MM thinks about the death penalty, but I know that Shea at least realizes that the death penalty can be just and so is not "murder." This is a chemically-pure example of Shea passing over what he perfectly well understands in any other context -- you see it when he writes about the death penalty that he knows that even it shouldn't be used in a given case or a certain society, it isn't murder -- if ignoring what he knows gives him another excuse to lie about me.
UPDATE: Well, he has finally read the exact quote, thanks to Disputations. Not that this affects anything (that would require that the two actually think facts matter more than their desire to lie about me and self-righteously preen and posture). Both of them sarcastically underplay the importance of the distinction between "murder" and "execute" -- even though it is not a small one. And they both know it (which is why I'm comfortable calling them both liars over this ... they are deliberately ignoring something they know). The only other referent is "cold-blooded," which in the context of homicide merely means premeditated, calculated and with full knowledge ... so all executions, even right ones, are cold-blooded, making it a classification that doesn't classify.
UPDATE 2: If the entire population of Lidice were to be red-handed illegal combatants or terrorists, then Shea's invocation of it would be something other than what it is: the laziest of sub-moronic pseudo-intellectual lies out there -- "the Nazis did [something the speaker constructs as parallel]." Yawn. I call Godwin on this insufferable human (maybe) toothache.